From sbforum-general at sbforum.org Thu Nov 5 12:09:57 2009 From: sbforum-general at sbforum.org (VIAGRA Official Site) Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:09:57 -0000 Subject: [Sbforum-general] Dear sbforum-general@sbforum.org 59% 0FF on Pfizer ! Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeedward at yahoo.com Sun Nov 8 23:51:57 2009 From: jeedward at yahoo.com (John Edward) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 15:51:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sbforum-general] BCBGC-10 Call for papers Message-ID: <569633.78959.qm@web45914.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> BCBGC-10 Call for papers ? The 2010 International Conference on Bioinformatics, Computational Biology, Genomics and Chemoinformatics (BCBGC-10) (website: http://www.PromoteResearch.org) will be held during 12-14 of July 2010 in Orlando, FL, USA. ?BCBGC is an important event in the areas of bioinformatics, computational biology, genomics and chemoinformatics and focuses on all areas related to the conference. ? 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Sincerely John Edward Publicity committee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sandra.borthwick at sbforum.org Tue Nov 10 10:58:30 2009 From: sandra.borthwick at sbforum.org (Sandra Borthwick) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:58:30 -0000 Subject: [Sbforum-general] R workshop Message-ID: <6F0469431EF24DCCB49AF502A2B05F0E@society.local> Dear SBF We are considering organising a R workshop in the new year. We are interested in your input regarding both interest in participation and/or input into the teaching program. Specifically, we would like to hear about the level of course that will be of greatest interest; i.e. beginners or more advanced specific topics. Suggestions for tutors will also be welcome. The dates we are considering are late January, or early February. Looking forward to your replies. Sandra Borthwick, Executive Assistant Scottish Bioinformatics Forum The Royal Society of Edinburgh 22-26 George Street Edinburgh EH2 2PQ Tel: +44 (0)131 240 2783 Fax: +44 (0)131 240 2786 email: sandra.borthwick at sbforum.org www.sbforum.org 10th International Conference on Systems Biology Edinburgh, UK. 10th-15th October 2010 http://www.icsb-2010.net/ The SBF is a project of the RSE Scotland Foundation is Scottish Charity No. SC024636 The information contained in this e-mail is confidential, intended for the above named individual/s and may be legally privileged. This message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Foundation/Forum, unless specifically stated www.rsescotlandfoundation.org.uk www.sbforum.org From Peter.Cock at scri.ac.uk Tue Nov 10 11:13:20 2009 From: Peter.Cock at scri.ac.uk (Peter Cock) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:13:20 +0000 Subject: [Sbforum-general] R workshop In-Reply-To: <6F0469431EF24DCCB49AF502A2B05F0E@society.local> Message-ID: On 2009/11/10 10:58, "Sandra Borthwick" wrote: > Dear SBF > > We are considering organising a R workshop in the new year. We are > interested in your input regarding both interest in participation and/or > input into the teaching program. > > Specifically, we would like to hear about the level of course that will be > of greatest interest; i.e. beginners or more advanced specific topics. > Suggestions for tutors will also be welcome. > > The dates we are considering are late January, or early February. > > Looking forward to your replies. > > > > Sandra Borthwick, Executive Assistant > Scottish Bioinformatics Forum > The Royal Society of Edinburgh > 22-26 George Street > Edinburgh > EH2 2PQ Dear Sandra, I would be interested in attending as a participant. I am already familiar with the basics of R, and would be interested in intermediate or more advanced topics. I have previously help run a basic introductory R course for MSc students: http://www.warwick.ac.uk/go/moac/degrees/modules/ch923/r_introduction See also: http://www.warwick.ac.uk/go/peter_cock/r/ Although many tasks in R involve using advanced packages, I am aware that I would be more productive in R if I was more familiar with using the basic functions for manipulating datasets (lists, frames, matrices). For example, filtering and grouping data in R takes a bit of getting used to. Thanks, Peter ______________________________________________________ SCRI, Invergowrie, Dundee, DD2 5DA. The Scottish Crop Research Institute is a charitable company limited by guarantee. Registered in Scotland No: SC 29367. Recognised by the Inland Revenue as a Scottish Charity No: SC 006662. DISCLAIMER: This email is from the Scottish Crop Research Institute, but the views expressed by the sender are not necessarily the views of SCRI and its subsidiaries. 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This project will improve knowledge of the evolution, metabolism, ecotoxicological status and biotechnological potential of cyanobacteria by the development and application of bioinformatics algorithms. Cyanobacteria are a metabolically diverse group of photosynthetic prokaryotes of global distribution. They play a crucial role in biogeochemical cycles (oxygen, carbon, nitrogen), produce toxins which present major health hazards to humans and animals, yet also contain metabolites with therapeutic and biotechnological applications, including biofuels. At least 48 cyanobacterial genomes have been sequenced. However, the function of many of the genes in their genomes remains unknown. This represents a major gap in biological knowledge which would be difficult to fill by traditional approaches. We have developed a comparative, bioinformatics procedure to delimit groups of genes which are functionally linked, on the basis of correlated gain and loss of those genes from genomes. This must be vastly improved, to also model gene-phenotype and gene-environment interactions, and applied to cyanobacteria. The project would involve research in computational comparative genomics. Results will be of interest to researchers in bioinformatics, environmental and health sciences and in biotechnology. Informal enquiries to Daniel Barker, db60 at st-andrews.ac.uk For further details, including how to apply, please see: http://biology.st-and.ac.uk/projectProfile.aspx?psr=433&pid=168 IMPORTANT NOTE ON FUNDING A successful candidate would receive funding (covering fees and stipend) from the Natural Environment Research Council (NERC) and Marine Alliance for Science & Technology Scotland. Funding is ONLY possible for candiates who meet NERC's criteria: http://www.nerc.ac.uk/funding/application/studentships/studentbook2008.pdf In particular, please note the section "Residence" (pp. 3-6). If you do not meet these criteria, please only apply for this position if you have already obtained funding yourself. Best regards, Daniel -- Daniel Barker http://bio.st-andrews.ac.uk/staff/db60.htm The University of St Andrews is a charity registered in Scotland : No SC013532 From chris at compbio.dundee.ac.uk Tue Nov 10 12:17:10 2009 From: chris at compbio.dundee.ac.uk (Chris Cole) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:17:10 +0000 Subject: [Sbforum-general] R workshop In-Reply-To: <6F0469431EF24DCCB49AF502A2B05F0E@society.local> References: <6F0469431EF24DCCB49AF502A2B05F0E@society.local> Message-ID: <20091110121710.0174bd9c@caterpillar.compbio.dundee.ac.uk> Hi Sandra, I agree with Peter, a moderate to advanced course would be more suitable for me. I already use R a fair bit, but probably not in the best way. In particular, topics such as; scripting, manipulation and analysis of large datasets, advanced plotting, etc would be of interest. Would it be possible to include some aspects of bioconductor as well? Or, if not, getting a separate short (1-2 days) course on bioconductor? Cheers, Chris On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:58:30 -0000 "Sandra Borthwick" wrote: > Dear SBF > > We are considering organising a R workshop in the new year. We are > interested in your input regarding both interest in participation > and/or input into the teaching program. > > Specifically, we would like to hear about the level of course that > will be of greatest interest; i.e. beginners or more advanced > specific topics. Suggestions for tutors will also be welcome. > > The dates we are considering are late January, or early February. > > Looking forward to your replies. > From jimp at compbio.dundee.ac.uk Tue Nov 10 12:23:21 2009 From: jimp at compbio.dundee.ac.uk (Jim Procter) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:23:21 +0000 Subject: [Sbforum-general] Last Call For Registrations for EMBO Visualizing Biological Data Workshop Message-ID: <4AF95B39.60603@compbio.dundee.ac.uk> Dear SBF colleagues, We would like to remind you that November 16 is the deadline for registration and abstract submission for the first EMBO Workshop on Visualizing Biological Data (VizBi, http://www.vizbi.org), 3-5 March 2010, at EMBL Heidelberg, Germany. The goal of the workshop is to bring together, for the first time, researchers developing and using visualization systems across all areas of biology, including genomics, sequence analysis, macromolecular structures, systems biology, and imaging (including microscopy and magnetic resonance imaging). The workshop program includes high-profile speakers from each of these areas, as well as keynote talks by Ben Fry (Seed Visualization), Bang Wong (Broad Institute) and Chris North (Virginia Tech) - for details, see http://tinyurl.com/vizbi10Speakers. We are pleased to announce that we have a limited number of student travel fellowships provided by the European Science Foundation - see http://vizbi.org for details on how to apply. Furthermore, a 15% discount on the registration fee is available to members of the International Society for Computational Biology (ISCB). To apply to join the workshop, please go to http://vizbi.org and submit an abstract and image related to your work. In addition to the program of speakers, participants are normally required to present a poster and to give a 'fast-forward' presentation (limited to 30 seconds and 1 slide). If several people are working on the same project they may use the same abstract to apply. However, we encourage registrants to submit work that reflects their own interests - and not necessarily new or unpublished work. But, since places are limited, we will use submissions to select participants whose work is most relevant to the goals of the workshop. Notifications of acceptance will be sent within three weeks after the close of submissions. You may also submit your image for consideration for the VizBi Scientific Art prize. This prize will be awarded to the submitted image that best conveys a strong scientific message in a visually compelling manner. Please forward this announcement to anyone who may be interested. We hope to see you in Heidelberg next spring! Se?n O'Donoghue, EMBL Jim Procter, University of Dundee Nils Gehlenborg, European Bioinformatics Institute Reinhard Schneider, EMBL If you have any questions about the registration process please contact: Adela Valceanu Conference Officer European Molecular Biology Laboratory Meyerhofstr. 1 D-69117 Heidelberg Tel: +49-6221-387 8625 Fax: +49-6221-387 8158 Email: valceanu at embl.de -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- J. B. Procter (JALVIEW/ENFIN) Barton Bioinformatics Research Group Phone/Fax:+44(0)1382 388734/345764 http://www.compbio.dundee.ac.uk The University of Dundee is a Scottish Registered Charity, No. SC015096. From simon.tomlinson at ed.ac.uk Tue Nov 10 14:04:32 2009 From: simon.tomlinson at ed.ac.uk (Simon Tomlinson) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:04:32 +0000 Subject: [Sbforum-general] R workshop In-Reply-To: <6F0469431EF24DCCB49AF502A2B05F0E@society.local> References: <6F0469431EF24DCCB49AF502A2B05F0E@society.local> Message-ID: <4AF972F0.8090007@ed.ac.uk> Hi Sandra There are a lot of existing R users who know the basics but would like to develop their R skills further. So I also agree that an intermediate to advanced course would be most useful. In terms of using R itself it would be good to cover R performance issues and more advanced data visualisation topics. It would be great if the course could cover Bioconductor tools such as Limma, and Affy, the best packages for Next-gen analysis and the integration and annotation tools available for GEO, ArrayExpress, Ensembl etc. Thanks Simon -- Simon Tomlinson Stem Cell Bioinformatics, MRC Centre for Regenerative Medicine, Institute for Stem Cell Research, University of Edinburgh, Roger Land Building, West Mains Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JQ +44 [0] 131 651 7252 http://www.crm.ed.ac.uk http://www.iscr.ed.ac.uk Sandra Borthwick wrote: > Dear SBF > > We are considering organising a R workshop in the new year. We are > interested in your input regarding both interest in participation and/or > input into the teaching program. > > Specifically, we would like to hear about the level of course that will be > of greatest interest; i.e. beginners or more advanced specific topics. > Suggestions for tutors will also be welcome. > > The dates we are considering are late January, or early February. > > Looking forward to your replies. > > > > Sandra Borthwick, Executive Assistant > Scottish Bioinformatics Forum > The Royal Society of Edinburgh > 22-26 George Street > Edinburgh > EH2 2PQ > > Tel: +44 (0)131 240 2783 > Fax: +44 (0)131 240 2786 > email: sandra.borthwick at sbforum.org > www.sbforum.org > > 10th International Conference on Systems Biology > Edinburgh, UK. 10th-15th October 2010 http://www.icsb-2010.net/ > > > > The SBF is a project of the RSE Scotland Foundation is Scottish Charity No. > SC024636 > > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential, intended for the > above named individual/s and may be legally privileged. > This message may contain personal views which are not the views of the > Foundation/Forum, unless specifically stated > www.rsescotlandfoundation.org.uk www.sbforum.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sbforum-general mailing list > Sbforum-general at sbforum.org > http://sbforum.org/mailman/listinfo/sbforum-general_sbforum.org > > The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From donald.dunbar at ed.ac.uk Tue Nov 10 14:06:03 2009 From: donald.dunbar at ed.ac.uk (Donald Dunbar) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:06:03 +0000 Subject: [Sbforum-general] R workshop In-Reply-To: <4AF972F0.8090007@ed.ac.uk> References: <6F0469431EF24DCCB49AF502A2B05F0E@society.local> <4AF972F0.8090007@ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4AF9734B.4010804@ed.ac.uk> Hi Sandra. I echo the comments of Simon, Chris and Peter. There are quite a few of us who would like to get to the next step in their R use. We know too that there is an effort in Edinburgh to put more R functionality into a parallel framework (SPRINT) so maybe that could be included. Cheers, Donald Simon Tomlinson wrote: > Hi Sandra > There are a lot of existing R users who know the basics but would like > to develop their R skills further. So I also agree that an > intermediate to advanced course would be most useful. In terms of > using R itself it would be good to cover R performance issues and more > advanced data visualisation topics. It would be great if the course > could cover Bioconductor tools such as Limma, and Affy, the best > packages for Next-gen analysis and the integration and annotation > tools available for GEO, ArrayExpress, Ensembl etc. > > Thanks > > Simon > -- Donald Dunbar donald.dunbar at ed.ac.uk The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From donald.dunbar at ed.ac.uk Wed Nov 11 09:45:13 2009 From: donald.dunbar at ed.ac.uk (Donald Dunbar) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:45:13 +0000 Subject: [Sbforum-general] [Fwd: Re: R workshop] Message-ID: <4AFA87A9.10104@ed.ac.uk> Hi all, David Martin sent this (cheers David) but didn't post it to the forum. It's a good idea to get opinions what beginner, intermediate and advanced mean with respect to R. I've updated David's list with my comments below. (Sandra, Chris, an SBF Wiki would be a good idea if possible. We could even share scripts there.) Cheers, Donald Beginner: Data types. Factors Simple data input/output Basic plots Data selection (including slicing, elements by index and name etc). Intermediate: Manipulating histogram and distribution objects Manipulating (eg reshaping, merging) data Loops Functions Complex graphs. Database/editor interaction (EMACS/MySQL) Advanced: Writing packages Specific applications such as Bioconductor (maybe extra stuff on linear models, multiple testing, annotation...) parallelising R functions -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Sbforum-general] R workshop Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:40:10 +0000 From: David Martin To: Donald Dunbar References: <6F0469431EF24DCCB49AF502A2B05F0E at society.local> <4AF972F0.8090007 at ed.ac.uk> <4AF9734B.4010804 at ed.ac.uk> >>> On 10/11/2009 at 14:06, in message <4AF9734B.4010804 at ed.ac.uk>, Donald Dunbar wrote: > Hi Sandra. > I echo the comments of Simon, Chris and Peter. There are quite a few of > us who would like to get to the next step in their R use. We know too > that there is an effort in Edinburgh to put more R functionality into a > parallel framework (SPRINT) so maybe that could be included. It seems that there is probably a strong demand for a two stage course - a preliminary session for those relatively new to R, and a more advanced session that takes things beyond the basics and into the land of the power user. It might be helpful if people could suggest what they would think of as 'beginner', 'intermediate' or 'advanced' topics so that expectations are appropriately benchmarked. Otherwise one persons intermediate is another persons beginner and we have a participant-level mismatch. I suppose I should kick off. (It would be much nicer to do this on a Wiki, but I don't think SBForum has one.. ..yet!) Beginner: Data types. Factors Simple data input/output Basic plots Data selection. Intermediate: Manipulating histogram and distribution objects Loops Functions Complex graphs. Database/editor interaction (EMACS/MySQL) Advanced: Writing packages Specific applications such as Bioconductor -- David Martin PhD College of Life Sciences University of Dundee 01382 388704 The University of Dundee is a Scottish Registered Charity, No. SC015096. -- Donald Dunbar donald.dunbar at ed.ac.uk The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p.herzyk at bio.gla.ac.uk Wed Nov 11 10:45:17 2009 From: p.herzyk at bio.gla.ac.uk (Pawel Herzyk) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:45:17 +0000 Subject: [Sbforum-general] R workshop In-Reply-To: <6F0469431EF24DCCB49AF502A2B05F0E@society.local> References: <6F0469431EF24DCCB49AF502A2B05F0E@society.local> Message-ID: <5C46D063-09D6-4795-B368-7EAB16FE398A@bio.gla.ac.uk> Hi there, I would also support an intermediate to advanced course. Every bioinformatician can read R tutorial stuff and learn the basics in couple of hours - just another language. However, the intermediate/ advanced issues are not that easy and guidance from some R gurus would be really useful for the community. Perhaps, these could be found amongst statisticians for whom R is "bread and butter". best wishes Pawel On 10 Nov 2009, at 10:58, Sandra Borthwick wrote: > Dear SBF > > We are considering organising a R workshop in the new year. We are > interested in your input regarding both interest in participation > and/or > input into the teaching program. > > Specifically, we would like to hear about the level of course that > will be > of greatest interest; i.e. beginners or more advanced specific topics. > Suggestions for tutors will also be welcome. > > The dates we are considering are late January, or early February. > > Looking forward to your replies. > > > > Sandra Borthwick, Executive Assistant > Scottish Bioinformatics Forum > The Royal Society of Edinburgh > 22-26 George Street > Edinburgh > EH2 2PQ > > Tel: +44 (0)131 240 2783 > Fax: +44 (0)131 240 2786 > email: sandra.borthwick at sbforum.org > www.sbforum.org > > 10th International Conference on Systems Biology > Edinburgh, UK. 10th-15th October 2010 http://www.icsb-2010.net/ > > > > The SBF is a project of the RSE Scotland Foundation is Scottish > Charity No. > SC024636 > > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential, intended > for the > above named individual/s and may be legally privileged. > This message may contain personal views which are not the views of the > Foundation/Forum, unless specifically stated > www.rsescotlandfoundation.org.uk www.sbforum.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sbforum-general mailing list > Sbforum-general at sbforum.org > http://sbforum.org/mailman/listinfo/sbforum-general_sbforum.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr Pawel Herzyk Lecturer in Bioinformatics Integrative & Systems Biology Faculty of Biomedical and Life Sciences Head of Bioinformatics, Microarrays and DNA analysis The Sir Henry Wellcome Functional Genomics Facility Joseph Black Building, University of Glasgow, Glasgow, G12 8QQ p.herzyk at bio.gla.ac.uk +44-141-3303180 http://www.gla.ac.uk:443/ibls/staff/staff.php?who=PGQPA~ http://www.brc.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~ph53d/shwfgf/microarrays.htm From d.m.a.martin at dundee.ac.uk Wed Nov 11 11:58:24 2009 From: d.m.a.martin at dundee.ac.uk (David Martin) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:58:24 +0000 Subject: [Sbforum-general] R workshop In-Reply-To: <5C46D063-09D6-4795-B368-7EAB16FE398A@bio.gla.ac.uk> References: <6F0469431EF24DCCB49AF502A2B05F0E@society.local> <5C46D063-09D6-4795-B368-7EAB16FE398A@bio.gla.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4AFAA6D8.6F09.00E0.1@dundee.ac.uk> >>> On 11/11/2009 at 10:45, in message <5C46D063-09D6-4795-B368-7EAB16FE398A at bio.gla.ac.uk>, Pawel Herzyk wrote: > Hi there, > I would also support an intermediate to advanced course. Every > bioinformatician can read R tutorial stuff and learn the basics in > couple of hours - just another language. However, the intermediate/ > advanced issues are not that easy and guidance from some R gurus would > be really useful for the community. Perhaps, these could be found > amongst statisticians for whom R is "bread and butter". > best wishes > Pawel I would argue that it is easy for any bioinformatician to pick up an R script and prod it and poke it to more or less persuade it to behave without necessarily an waful lot of understanding. Being able to progress beyond that is however difficult because of a lack of comprehension of the R basics. But having a proper understanding of the data model and types in R is something the online tutorials are actually very poor at doing. I find progressing with R harder because of this lack, rather than a lack of opportunity. ..d -- David Martin PhD College of Life Sciences University of Dundee 01382 388704 The University of Dundee is a Scottish Registered Charity, No. SC015096. The University of Dundee is a registered Scottish charity, No: SC015096 From andy.law at roslin.ed.ac.uk Wed Nov 11 12:38:30 2009 From: andy.law at roslin.ed.ac.uk (Andy Law (RI)) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:38:30 +0000 Subject: [Sbforum-general] R workshop In-Reply-To: <4AFAA6D8.6F09.00E0.1@dundee.ac.uk> References: <6F0469431EF24DCCB49AF502A2B05F0E@society.local> <5C46D063-09D6-4795-B368-7EAB16FE398A@bio.gla.ac.uk> <4AFAA6D8.6F09.00E0.1@dundee.ac.uk> Message-ID: <2CDD1AD0-DF27-481F-A1A9-B75EE0DF099E@roslin.ed.ac.uk> One of the key things I would pick out when considering how to maximise R efficiency (of use, rather than anything else) is the subtly different way of thinking required to get it to sing properly. I have often pointed out the different brain types that make people instinctively procedural (Perl is your friend) or object (Java, "It's just 1 line in Ruby", "But Python is just so obvious") programmers. In addition to that there are "functional" brain types (their phrase, not mine) who cannot comprehend why no-one else thinks like Haskell. My experience of R is that the folks who really "get it" (and I don't include myself in that category *at all*) are the ones who think somewhere between "vectors of data" and functional programming. Sure, you can get an R script to "do stuff", but are you really doing it the "R way"? So I think what would be a really good focus of a short course would be something to demonstrate the "right" and "wrong" ways to approach a particular problem, conveyed in "procedural" and "object" programming terminology so that those of us stuck with the wrong brain type might have a chance of getting to grips with the fundamentals. But I know from long experience that trying to teach people to think in a different way from what comes naturally is a very hard ask. On 11 Nov 2009, at 11:58, David Martin wrote: >>>> On 11/11/2009 at 10:45, in message > <5C46D063-09D6-4795-B368-7EAB16FE398A at bio.gla.ac.uk>, Pawel Herzyk > wrote: >> Hi there, >> I would also support an intermediate to advanced course. Every >> bioinformatician can read R tutorial stuff and learn the basics in >> couple of hours - just another language. However, the intermediate/ >> advanced issues are not that easy and guidance from some R gurus >> would >> be really useful for the community. Perhaps, these could be found >> amongst statisticians for whom R is "bread and butter". >> best wishes >> Pawel > > > I would argue that it is easy for any bioinformatician to pick up an > R script and prod it and poke it to more or less persuade it to > behave without necessarily an waful lot of understanding. Being able > to progress beyond that is however difficult because of a lack of > comprehension of the R basics. But having a proper understanding of > the data model and types in R is something the online tutorials are > actually very poor at doing. I find progressing with R harder > because of this lack, rather than a lack of opportunity. > > > ..d > > -- > > David Martin PhD > College of Life Sciences > University of Dundee > 01382 388704 > The University of Dundee is a Scottish Registered Charity, No. > SC015096. > > > The University of Dundee is a registered Scottish charity, No: > SC015096 > > _______________________________________________ > Sbforum-general mailing list > Sbforum-general at sbforum.org > http://sbforum.org/mailman/listinfo/sbforum-general_sbforum.org Later, Andy -------- Yada, yada, yada... The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336 Disclaimer: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended solely for the use of the recipient(s) to whom they are addressed. If you have received it in error, please destroy all copies and inform the sender. From dan.bolser at gmail.com Wed Nov 11 14:03:58 2009 From: dan.bolser at gmail.com (Dan Bolser) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:03:58 +0000 Subject: [Sbforum-general] R workshop In-Reply-To: <4AFAA6D8.6F09.00E0.1@dundee.ac.uk> References: <6F0469431EF24DCCB49AF502A2B05F0E@society.local> <5C46D063-09D6-4795-B368-7EAB16FE398A@bio.gla.ac.uk> <4AFAA6D8.6F09.00E0.1@dundee.ac.uk> Message-ID: <2c8757af0911110603n36ecec98i619fe6da6ccccba3@mail.gmail.com> 2009/11/11 David Martin : >>>> On 11/11/2009 at 10:45, in message > <5C46D063-09D6-4795-B368-7EAB16FE398A at bio.gla.ac.uk>, Pawel Herzyk > wrote: >> Hi there, >> I would also support an intermediate to advanced course. Every >> bioinformatician can read ?R tutorial stuff and learn the basics in >> couple of hours - just another language. However, the intermediate/ >> advanced issues are not that easy and guidance from some R gurus would >> be really useful for the community. Perhaps, these could be found >> amongst statisticians for whom R is "bread and butter". >> best wishes >> Pawel > > > I would argue that it is easy for any bioinformatician to pick up an R script and prod it and poke it to more or less persuade it to behave without necessarily an waful lot of understanding. Being able to progress beyond that is however difficult because of a lack of comprehension of the R basics. But having a proper understanding of the data model and types in R is something the online tutorials are actually very poor at doing. I find progressing with R harder because of this lack, rather than a lack of opportunity. Did you read the essentials chapter from start to finish? I found R utterly mysterious until I did that. http://www.burns-stat.com/pages/spoetry.html From d.m.a.martin at dundee.ac.uk Wed Nov 11 14:07:30 2009 From: d.m.a.martin at dundee.ac.uk (David Martin) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:07:30 +0000 Subject: [Sbforum-general] R workshop In-Reply-To: <2c8757af0911110603n36ecec98i619fe6da6ccccba3@mail.gmail.com> References: <6F0469431EF24DCCB49AF502A2B05F0E@society.local> <5C46D063-09D6-4795-B368-7EAB16FE398A@bio.gla.ac.uk> <4AFAA6D8.6F09.00E0.1@dundee.ac.uk> <2c8757af0911110603n36ecec98i619fe6da6ccccba3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AFAC51E.6F09.00E0.1@dundee.ac.uk> > Did you read the essentials chapter from start to finish? > I found R utterly mysterious until I did that. > > http://www.burns-stat.com/pages/spoetry.html Is that not the point? To understand the language you should read the introductory documentation for a different language.. That is where I have been going wrong all these years. ..d -- David Martin PhD College of Life Sciences University of Dundee 01382 388704 The University of Dundee is a Scottish Registered Charity, No. SC015096. The University of Dundee is a registered Scottish charity, No: SC015096 From dan.bolser at gmail.com Wed Nov 11 14:17:37 2009 From: dan.bolser at gmail.com (Dan Bolser) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:17:37 +0000 Subject: [Sbforum-general] R workshop In-Reply-To: <4AFAC51E.6F09.00E0.1@dundee.ac.uk> References: <6F0469431EF24DCCB49AF502A2B05F0E@society.local> <5C46D063-09D6-4795-B368-7EAB16FE398A@bio.gla.ac.uk> <4AFAA6D8.6F09.00E0.1@dundee.ac.uk> <2c8757af0911110603n36ecec98i619fe6da6ccccba3@mail.gmail.com> <4AFAC51E.6F09.00E0.1@dundee.ac.uk> Message-ID: <2c8757af0911110617p76d9555brec38f5851fe56606@mail.gmail.com> 2009/11/11 David Martin : > >> Did you read the essentials chapter from start to finish? >> I found R utterly mysterious until I did that. >> >> http://www.burns-stat.com/pages/spoetry.html > > Is that not the point? To understand the language you should read the introductory documentation for a different language.. That is where I have been going wrong all these years. Yes ;-) The best R document is a book on S... From john.davey at ed.ac.uk Wed Nov 11 14:29:00 2009 From: john.davey at ed.ac.uk (John Davey) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:29:00 +0000 Subject: [Sbforum-general] R workshop Message-ID: <08F1B311-2553-44FE-A88D-D8AEEB233D9C@ed.ac.uk> Hi Sandra, We run an introductory R course for evolutionary biologists here in Edinburgh, which is available here: https://www.wiki.ed.ac.uk/display/AshworthRCourse/ Happy to assist with an SBF course. I personally would be interested in the intermediate / advanced topics that others have discussed, but I wouldn't underestimate the need for beginner training. R is peculiar even when familiar with other bio- languages. A course dedicated to BioConductor would be very useful. Firstly, most of the separate issues people are mentioning (best packages for NextGen, analysis of large datasets, Limma, Affy etc) all involve BioConductor to some degree. Secondly, because BioConductor works in a slightly different way to the rest of R, there is a small hump to get over which is perfect for a 1-2 day tutorial. Best wishes John -- John Davey Bioinformatics Researcher and Support Provider Institute of Evolutionary Biology University of Edinburgh Post : Room 354 Ashworth Laboratories King's Buildings West Mains Road Edinburgh EH9 3JT UK Email : john.davey at ed.ac.uk Phone : +44 (0) 131 650 7403 Lab : www.nematodes.org -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From urmi.trivedi at ed.ac.uk Wed Nov 11 15:35:41 2009 From: urmi.trivedi at ed.ac.uk (Urmi Trivedi) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:35:41 -0000 Subject: [Sbforum-general] NextGenBUG December 1, Tuesday noon at e-Science Institute, Edinburgh Message-ID: Dear all, The next NextGenBUG (next generation sequencing Bioinformatics User Group) will be on 2009, December 1, Tuesday from 13:00-16:00 at e-Science Institute, 15 South College Street, Edinburgh Just a quick reminder, as this meeting will be a part of nextgenBUG workshop, lunch will be starting at 13:00. Agenda: 1. Curtain: large genomes from short reads - Paul Kirsey (EBI) 2. Genome sequencing and de novo assembly with ABI SOLiD technology - Rick Dickson (ABI) 3. Progress in Assembling 430 Mbase genome of the Earthworm Lumbricus rubellus - Ben Elsworth (University of Edinburgh, Genepool) 4. Assembling the 90 Mbase genome of the parasitic nematode Litomosoides sigmodontis using illumina SOLEXA data - Sujai Kumar and Graham Thomas (University of Edinburgh, GenePool) Please volunteer to give the usual 15 - 20 minute presentations. In case, you haven't registered for the meeting please do register with the help of instructions at - http://genepool.bio.ed.ac.uk:16080/nextgenbug/meeting/20091202 Best regards, Urmi -- Urmi Trivedi Sequencing Bioinformatician The Gene Pool Ashworth Laboratories Kings Building's campus University of Edinburgh EH9 3JT Phone: +44 131 650 7403 Fax: +44 131 651 3629 Web: http://genepool.bio.ed.ac.uk/ The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From urmi.trivedi at ed.ac.uk Wed Nov 11 15:37:02 2009 From: urmi.trivedi at ed.ac.uk (Urmi Trivedi) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:37:02 -0000 Subject: [Sbforum-general] NextGenBUG December 1, Tuesday noon at e-Science Institute, Edinburgh Message-ID: Dear all, The next NextGenBUG (next generation sequencing Bioinformatics User Group) will be on 2009, December 1, Tuesday from 13:00-16:00 at e-Science Institute, 15 South College Street, Edinburgh Just a quick reminder, as this meeting will be a part of nextgenBUG workshop, lunch will be starting at 13:00. Agenda: 1. Curtain: large genomes from short reads - Paul Kirsey (EBI) 2. Genome sequencing and de novo assembly with ABI SOLiD technology - Rick Dickson (ABI) 3. Progress in Assembling 430 Mbase genome of the Earthworm Lumbricus rubellus - Ben Elsworth (University of Edinburgh, Genepool) 4. Assembling the 90 Mbase genome of the parasitic nematode Litomosoides sigmodontis using illumina SOLEXA data - Sujai Kumar and Graham Thomas (University of Edinburgh, GenePool) Please volunteer to give the usual 15 - 20 minute presentations. In case, you haven't registered for the meeting please do register with the help of instructions at - http://genepool.bio.ed.ac.uk:16080/nextgenbug/meeting/20091202 Best regards, Urmi -- Urmi Trivedi Sequencing Bioinformatician The Gene Pool Ashworth Laboratories Kings Building's campus University of Edinburgh EH9 3JT Phone: +44 131 650 7403 Fax: +44 131 651 3629 Web: http://genepool.bio.ed.ac.uk/ The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From O.Vasieva at liverpool.ac.uk Wed Nov 11 12:28:07 2009 From: O.Vasieva at liverpool.ac.uk (Vasieva, Olga) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:28:07 +0000 Subject: [Sbforum-general] R workshop In-Reply-To: <4AFAA6D8.6F09.00E0.1@dundee.ac.uk> References: <6F0469431EF24DCCB49AF502A2B05F0E@society.local> <5C46D063-09D6-4795-B368-7EAB16FE398A@bio.gla.ac.uk>, <4AFAA6D8.6F09.00E0.1@dundee.ac.uk> Message-ID: <90A77B3FE6D390478D90C5174BBBB0BC07C00F81EC@STAFFMBX2.livad.liv.ac.uk> I agree with David.. Olga Dr Olga Vasieva Tel:(+44) 151 795 4551 School of Biological Sciences FAX:(+44) 151 795 4406 Room 231, Biosciences Building University of Liverpool Crown St., Liverpool L69 7ZB, U.K. ________________________________________ From: sbforum-general-bounces at sbforum.org [sbforum-general-bounces at sbforum.org] On Behalf Of David Martin [d.m.a.martin at dundee.ac.uk] Sent: 11 November 2009 11:58 To: sbforum-general at sbforum.org Subject: Re: [Sbforum-general] R workshop >>> On 11/11/2009 at 10:45, in message <5C46D063-09D6-4795-B368-7EAB16FE398A at bio.gla.ac.uk>, Pawel Herzyk wrote: > Hi there, > I would also support an intermediate to advanced course. Every > bioinformatician can read R tutorial stuff and learn the basics in > couple of hours - just another language. However, the intermediate/ > advanced issues are not that easy and guidance from some R gurus would > be really useful for the community. Perhaps, these could be found > amongst statisticians for whom R is "bread and butter". > best wishes > Pawel I would argue that it is easy for any bioinformatician to pick up an R script and prod it and poke it to more or less persuade it to behave without necessarily an waful lot of understanding. Being able to progress beyond that is however difficult because of a lack of comprehension of the R basics. But having a proper understanding of the data model and types in R is something the online tutorials are actually very poor at doing. I find progressing with R harder because of this lack, rather than a lack of opportunity. ..d -- David Martin PhD College of Life Sciences University of Dundee 01382 388704 The University of Dundee is a Scottish Registered Charity, No. SC015096. 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We will now ask those who have already given 'R' workshops for their experience, and will start putting a program together. As soon as we know availability of tutors, we will publish the date of the workshops. Best wishes Sandra Sandra Borthwick, Executive Assistant Scottish Bioinformatics Forum The Royal Society of Edinburgh 22-26 George Street Edinburgh EH2 2PQ Tel: +44 (0)131 240 2783 Fax: +44 (0)131 240 2786 email: sandra.borthwick at sbforum.org www.sbforum.org 10th International Conference on Systems Biology Edinburgh, UK. 10th-15th October 2010 http://www.icsb-2010.net/ The SBF is a project of the RSE Scotland Foundation, Scottish Charity No. SC024636 The information contained in this e-mail is confidential, intended for the above named individual/s and may be legally privileged. This message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Foundation/Forum, unless specifically stated www.rsescotlandfoundation.org.uk www.sbforum.org From fclark1 at inf.ed.ac.uk Mon Nov 23 14:19:11 2009 From: fclark1 at inf.ed.ac.uk (Fiona Clark) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:19:11 -0000 Subject: [Sbforum-general] ICSB 2010, Edinburgh, UK. 10th-15th October 2010 - Call for Tutorials Message-ID: REMINDER Subject: ICSB 2010, Edinburgh, UK. 10th-15th October 2010 - Call for Tutorials Call For Tutorials 10th International Conference on Systems Biology Edinburgh, UK. 10th-15th October 2010 The ICSB tutorials series is meant to prepare attendees for a better understanding of certain aspects of the main conference, by giving them an introduction to the tools and methods of general interest for systems biology and by providing hands-on experience where appropriate. We would now like to invite prospective tutorial organisers to submit proposals for ICSB2010 tutorials to the organising commitee. Proposals should include the purpose and background of the subject area, the name of organizer and speakers, a description of their organisation, an estimate of the numbers of participants and mention whether demonstration facilities other than a standard AV system will be used. If tutorial material already exists even in draft stage, it would be helpful for the programme committee to make a more informed decision, if it were included with the proposal. Tutorials will last up to 4hrs. Enquiries can be made directly to Prof. Vincent Danos (vdanos at inf.ed.ac.uk) and Dr. Hong Yue (hong.yue at eee.strath.ac.uk). Examples of tutorials given at recent ICSB meetings can be found at http://www.icsb-2007.org/tutorials/index.html http://www.icsb-2008.org/main.php?display=tutorials http://icsb-2009.org/schedule.php#tutorial1 Deadline for tutorial proposals: Jan 15 2010 Tutorial venue and date: Edinburgh International Conference Centre, Oct 10 2010 Submission can be made directly to Prof Danos and Dr Yue or via the conference website. Registration and Fees: There is no charge to present an academic/non-profit tutorial. Registration for tutorials will be handled by ICSB and participants will be charged to cover the local expenses. Tutorial presenters and attendees are expected to register for the main conference. Appropriate badging for all tutorial attendees will be provided. Commercial tutorials may be presented at a cost of GBP500. 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From sborthwick at royalsoced.org.uk Tue Nov 24 13:20:19 2009 From: sborthwick at royalsoced.org.uk (Sandra Borthwick) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:20:19 -0000 Subject: [Sbforum-general] REMINDER - SBF Event - "Computing with cells: Membrane Computing" Message-ID: <818406367E54EC499E989D011C0025CF5F4C3C@rsoe_server4.society.local> * * * An opportunity to have cutting edge technology and science explained in generally understandably terms * * * The event deals with biology - inspired approaches to devising new computers. ************************************************************************ ********************* "COMPUTING WITH CELLS: Membrane Computing" - Seminar and Discussion on Membrane Computing Date: 2nd December 2009, Time: 2:00 pm Location: Royal Society of Edinburgh, 22-26 George Street, EH2 2PQ Dr Pierluigi Frisco will give a seminar and question and answer session on membrane computing ************************************************************************ ********************* Program: 14:00-15:00 Seminar 15:00-15:30 coffee and networking 15:30-16:30 Q & A session Membrane Computing originates from the observation that eukaryotic cells have an internal organisation defined by membranes. In the framework provided by Membrane Computing several biological processes and phenomena occurring in eukaryotic cells have been studied from a computational point of view or have been used to develop algorithms for solving computationally hard problems. Some of the question that this fascinating field of research tries to answer are: * How could we use living cells to perform computation? * Would our definition of computation change as a consequence of this? * Could such a cell-computer outperform digital computers? In this talk Pier will give an overview on Membrane Computing and an answer to the questions above. For further information and registration details please see http://www.sbforum.org/events.php Please also find attached our flyer for the event, if convenient, I would be grateful if you can display on one of your notice boards to bring attention to anyone who may be interested. Many thanks! We look forward to seeing you on Wednesday 2nd December. 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